Timeline for Why did "kiom", "tiom", "iom" etc. without "da" fall out of fashion?
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| Nov 12, 2019 at 21:35 | comment | added | das-g♦ | To me, the fact that "kioma" exists and the ordinal meaning it carries, both indicate that "kiom" is not something adjective-like but rather something number-like, which should support the use without "da" even without agreement to the noun. But of course, I can't argue with history, and this analogy goes only for "kiom", not for all the "...iom"-words, and one would want those to be treated all the same. | |
| Nov 12, 2019 at 18:27 | comment | added | Eduardo Trápani | Interese. Tion vi celis per "vicorda"! Kiam mi legas "kioman fojon ..." mi sentas kvanton kaj ripeton kiel ĉefajn trajtojn, ne vicordon. Sed mi komprenas, vi pravas. Nu, tio iel subtenas la respondon; jen alia nekoheraĵo en la uzo de kiom en tiu frua Esperanto (la menciita en la demando). | |
| Nov 12, 2019 at 15:59 | comment | added | Neil Roberts | @Eduaro Trápani, none of the examples in vortaro.net seem to back up that statement. PMEG has this comment: “Rimarku, ke kioma havas vicordan signifon same kiel nombraj vortetoj kun A-finaĵo (unua, dua...), dum la aliaj OM-vortoj (normale) ne havas tian vicordan signifon. Teorie oni povas uzi ankaŭ kioma en ne-vicorda senco, sed tiam oni riskas miskomprenon.”. | |
| Nov 12, 2019 at 15:49 | comment | added | Eduardo Trápani | @NeilRoberts kioma car refer to both the quantity and the order. vortaro.net. | |
| Nov 12, 2019 at 15:38 | comment | added | Neil Roberts | It’s probably worth highlighting that kioma does not have the same meaning as the kiom in kiom laboristojn. Instead it is a question about the position in a sequence rather than about a quantity. Eg, kioma horo estas?. | |
| Nov 12, 2019 at 15:21 | history | answered | Eduardo Trápani | CC BY-SA 4.0 |